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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:05:00 -
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I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff.
Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun,
second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:54:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:I wish they thought about releasing some of these old HMG designs. The digital camo one looks so freaking buff!
Thats a T3 weapons system, they are all derived from the same frame.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:00:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Summ Dude wrote:Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C) The precision rifle has already been shown though, so I'm pretty sure all the races will get their own sniper rifle. @Kagehosi- I was under the impression that the shotgun was the Gallente's specialist weapon (which by the way I think sounds a bit cleaner for the category than "other"  ). Also, that picture you think might be the Minmatar shotgun seems to clearly have an HMG-like rotating multi-barrel design. I'm assuming it was meant to be something like an LMG. But, as you said, different races' weapons in the same category might have drastically different firing mechanics, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. I also recall one of the CPM (Iron Wolf I think) saying a while back that the mass driver was actually the AV/launcher weapon for the Minmatar. But again, far from certain. Updated the OP to say the possibility of the shotgun not being a weapon class. As for mass driver, if its a light AV weapon, its a very bad one. Also, the other light AV weapons all seem to be shoulder-mounted.
Was going to say this, while it is true that the MD has AV capabilities (no damage penalty against vehicles or installations) it doesn't follow the over the shoulder style of other AV.
Pair ths with the description designating it as AI and we are still missing Minmatar AV.
Also see my orginal post, I think that grid you show also cintains the caldari shotgun.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:26:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles.
I think that they should all be categorized together.
I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives.
Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing.
It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them.
If we were to only use information currently in game,
yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class.
However based on rumours, concept arts, etc.
I think there is a
AOE class
Shotgun Class
Sniper Class
LMG class.
If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:24:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:The laser rifle, sniper rifle, and precision rifle are all long-range rifles.
I think that they should all be categorized together.
I think each race won't get a "knife" but instead a melee weapon. CCP wasn't thinking straight when they were talking about racial knives.
Finally, the shotgun and mass driver are both specialty weapons. Shotgun is the only light weapon dedicated to CQC, and mass driver is the only light weapon dedicated to support. Then again it could be argued that the laser/sniper is in fact in the same category as these weapons because they are also specialty weapons good at only one thing.
It also makes sense because we have gallente being short range, minmatar being short-medium, amarr being medium-long, and caldari being long range, in terms of specialty weapons. But then again who knows what the precision rifle will be like, and if the gallente long-range rifle will actually be shorter range than all of them. If we were to only use information currently in game, yes the shotgun would be in the Speacilist class. However based on rumours, concept arts, etc. I think there is a AOE class Shotgun Class Sniper Class LMG class. If we designate the Laser as an LMG, when we look at the minmatar art with the rumoured shotgun, there is also an LMG on the close left. You don't even know how much the mere concept of an LMG would change my current plans to skill True. I'd instantly drop scouts in favour of a heavier frame and couple that LMG with a Laser and be the ultimate suppression master. However right now scouts fit my secondary desired play style.
Why an LMG and an LMG?
If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine.
You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon.
A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.20 11:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Why an LMG and an LMG?
If we classify the laser as LMG based on low damage, high ROF, large Magazine.
You would be more benifical going for a short range weapon.
A Minmatar commando wielding the Minmatar Shotgun and Minmatar LMG.
Agreed, the key to success with the Commando is complimenting the effective range of your weapons. Also I never thought of the Laser Rifle as an LMG, but I can definitely see how that could be argued. And since that one concept art shows a Minmatar soldier carrying what looks like an LMG, then all we're missing is the Caldari LMG and Gallente LMG.
It would make sense, if you consider other FPS titles, the LMG often comparable to the Rifles has much larger magazines.
This fits in with laser rifles massive mag capacity, not to mention skilling it up allows for marathons of suppressing fire.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.21 10:41:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:If you're classifying Laser Rifles as LMG, I think it's worth reminding people about the Caldari Gauss Rifle that had its own YouTube video a while back.
Very good point, all though it would need a much larger magazine now, and the range is presented as 640m effective.
Here is the video anyway, that now POTENTIALLY 3 LMG based weapons.
http://youtu.be/NpJQjwKs6Kg
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.01.21 11:53:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:This thread is for the purpose of categorizing the weapons of Dust 514. Assault riflesG: Assault rifle: C: Rail rifle M: Combat rifle A: Scrambler rifle PistolsG: Ion pistol C: Bolt pistol M: flaylock pistol A: Scrambler pistol SMGsG: ? C: Magsec M: SMG A: ? KnivesG: Unnamed, but announced C: Nova knives M: Unnamed, but announced A: Unnamed, but announced Sniper riflesG: ? C: Sniper rifle M: precision rifleA: Laser rifle? (can't rule out the possibility yet) ShotgunsG: shotgun C: 2nd row from the top, 2nd gun from the left? (not sure) M: Weapon help by the guy on the far right? (not sure) A: ? **It is possible that none of these things appearing in concept art aren't shotguns, and there might be no shotgun weapon class**Light AVG: Plasma cannon C: Swarm launcher M: ? A: ? HeavyG: ? C: Forge gun M: HMG A: ? GrenadesA: ? C: AV Grenade G: Flux Grenade M: Locus Grenade Other/SpecialG: shotgun? (not sure) C: ? M: Mass driver A: laser rifle? (not sure) Some help from CCP would be appreciated, like clarification of where the laser rifle belongs in. You got most of them right, but personally I would make a few tweaks. Firstly, I would ditch the sniper rifle and shotgun weapon classes, as they would be part of the special weapon category. Secondly I'm a little doubtful if the Forge gun counts as a heavy weapon or a heavy AV weapon. My list would be like this: Assault Rifles:G: Plasma Rifle C: Rail Rifle A: Scrambler Rifle M: Combat Rifle Light AV Weapons:G: Plasma Cannon C: Swarm Launcher A: ? M: ? Heavy AV Weapons:G: ? C: Forge Gun A: ? M: ? Heavy Infantry Weapons:G: ? C: ? A: ? M: HMG Long Range Rifles:G: ? C: ? A: ? M: Precision Rifle Special Weapons:G: Shotgun C: Sniper Rifle A: Laser Rifle M: Mass Driver Pistols:G: Ion Pistol C: Bolt Pistol A: Scrambler Pistol M: Flaylock Pistol Submachine Guns:G: ? C: Magsec SMG A: ? M: SMG(needs a better name) Knives:G: ? C: Nova Knife A: ? M: ? Grenades:G: Flux Grenade C: AV Grenade A: ? (Miasma grenade has been in SiSI for ages) M: Locus Grenade I'm not really sure where the forge gun or precision rifle would fit in these categories, but that's my understanding of the racial weapon categories.
Well you see that's the thing though, the prescision rifle is the Minmatar Sniper Rifle. If the Minmatar (second shortest range, groundside) are getting a sniper rifle it is safe to assume that everyone one will.
It may be that there is a
Shotgun Class - G, M , A
Sniper Class - M, A, C
AOE Class - G, M, C
LMG Class - G, A, C
prehaps?
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.02.05 09:04:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I believe the Mass Driver is in a AOE class, not sure wether laser is designated sniper or not, if it is it needs a horrendus buff.
Also that one where you believe you see caldari shotgun,
second row, second column I believe to be caldari AOE, third column caldari shotgun. The laser for what it is does not make sense as a sniper rifle, as I cannot be used effectively in the role required of a sniper. Since snipers need to remain hidden....the laser thows that **** out the window..... You may be interested in that CCP confirmed mass driver is a "launcher" class weapon, and shares the same class with the plasma cannon and swarm launcher. I think I spotted the Amarr launcher as well. Also, names of the Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons have been revealed. 
True, but as they also say this doesn't mean you won't get a Minmatar AV weapon the Mass Driver is there so they can say they had one.
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:24:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:mismia grenade (from what I heard is akin to a flashbang) is probably Amarr. Not sure if they're still planning that, but worth putting on the list as a possibility. I thought it was more like a smoke bomb though. flashbangs are essiently modern day smoke bombs, just with a limited range Anyways, looked up mismia, and found out that we're probably both wrong; mismia grenade would be a poison grenade. NOW it makes even more sense, because we all knows Amarr is perfectly fine with poisoning people. I've considered that, but we're wearing air-tight suits with their own life-support systems covered in shields and armor; I don't see how poisonous gas would do anything. Miasma is poison (though not necessarily in all definition), but always in a gas state, so I still think its going to be something gassy like smoke.
I heard miassma will be an EMP mist, you will get electrical problems while in the grenades smoke.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.02.23 10:56:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher
So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.03.11 22:02:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Greasepalms wrote:here's how I see it.
Special Weapons:
Mass Driver (M)
Laser Rifle (A)
Shotgun (G)
Sniper (C) Mass driver is the minmatar launcher Plasma cannon is the gallente launcher Swarm lancher is the caldari launcher So far CCP may decide to release an AV Min lsuncher, which wiuld cast the MD into s new class. The way I see it, not all launchers need to be AV, it would be cool if the precision rifle was AV (like an anti-tank rifle) IMO. I do think the MD should do full damage against vehicles though. If the Minmatar has 2 launcher weapons, I will go OCD.
Sorry was on Tablet
CCP have said Mass Driver goes into the "Launcher" Category at this point in time.
HOWEVER they have not said that this would preclude the release of a Minnie AV weapon in that category.
As such if the decide to release a Minmatar AV weapon within the "launcher" category then the Mass Driver would then be cast as a different class, like AOE, Territory weapon. They have said that specifically. The MD is only currently a launcher so they don't force themselves to have to make 2 more AV weapons and 3 more weapons.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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